{"id":207621,"date":"2025-09-05T07:51:51","date_gmt":"2025-09-05T07:51:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ibkrcampus.eu\/campus\/?p=207621"},"modified":"2025-09-09T16:29:18","modified_gmt":"2025-09-09T16:29:18","slug":"what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.eu\/campus\/traders-insight\/securities\/etfs\/what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps\/","title":{"rendered":"What Will Light a Fire under Small Caps?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Originally Posted 04 September 2025 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/blog\/2025\/09\/04\/what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps\">What Will Light a Fire under Small Caps?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-key-takeaways\">Key Takeaways<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Despite lagging the broader market, U.S. small caps now trade at a 21.8% valuation discount to large caps, levels last seen before major relative rallies in the 1970s and early 2000s.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>With rate cuts, Jay Powell could set up a reversal that swings fortunes in favor of small caps.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Investors should consider focusing less on dollar predictions and more on small caps\u2019 sensitivity to falling rates.\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The house of pain continues with small caps, at least on a relative basis. Year-to-date, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/blog\/glossary#S&amp;P 600 Index\">S&amp;P 600 index<\/a> has posted a 3.0% gain, so it&#8217;s not like money is being burned. But still, even the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/blog\/glossary#bloomberg-aggregate-bond-index\">Bloomberg Aggregate Bond index<\/a> is up 4.9% YTD and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/blog\/glossary#s-and-p-500-index\">S&amp;P 500<\/a> is up 10.9%.<sup>1<\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>BofA&#8217;s fund flow data tells a thousand words.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Figure <\/strong><strong>1:<\/strong><strong> A Tale of Two Asset Classes<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/-\/media\/us-media-files\/blog\/blog-images-2\/2025\/august\/what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps\/figure-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Source: BofA Global Research, July 2025.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Past performance is not indicative of future results<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We&#8217;re at a moment of truth with large versus small, too. When I plot the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/blog\/glossary#s-and-p-100-index\">S&amp;P 100<\/a> relative to the big, broad <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/blog\/glossary#FT Wilshire 5000 Index Series\">Wilshire 5000 index<\/a>, it is making its third attempt at resistance levels that date to the 1990s. If recent action holds, this would mark an important breakout for large caps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Figure <\/strong><strong>2<\/strong><strong>: A<\/strong><strong>M<\/strong><strong>oment of <\/strong><strong>T<\/strong><strong>ruth<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/-\/media\/us-media-files\/blog\/blog-images-2\/2025\/august\/what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps\/figure-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Source: Refinitiv, total return indexes, as of 8\/21\/25.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Past performance is not indicative of future results<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because of small caps&#8217; multi-year struggle, the group is trading at a 21.8% discount to large caps on reported earnings (figure 3). It doesn&#8217;t mean a small-cap resurgence will start tomorrow, but I do find solace in these valuation gaps resembling the situation that manifested in both the mid-1970s and the turn of the century.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Figure 3: Small Caps&#8217; Relative Valuations Are Promising<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/-\/media\/us-media-files\/blog\/blog-images-2\/2025\/august\/what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps\/figure-3-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Source: Refinitiv, DataStream reported earnings calculations, 12\/31\/1972\u20137\/21\/2025.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Past performance is not indicative of future results<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Small caps are cheap, at least relatively, but there is a potential 2026 headwind that we should address.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The S&amp;P 600 index of small caps has an easy hurdle this calendar year, in that the Street is penciling in earnings growth of just 2.7% to the S&amp;P 500&#8217;s 7.4%, according to Yardeni Research. But for next year, the Street has S&amp;P 600 earnings jumping another 18.8% (the S&amp;P 500 is expected to see earnings growth of 13.9%). Those will probably both be revised down, as usual, but it&#8217;s still an easier hurdle for large caps than small caps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>As for <\/strong><strong>t<\/strong><strong>he <\/strong><strong>D<\/strong><strong>ollar<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s one of the most common questions we get on large versus small. I wish I had some strong view here, but I don&#8217;t. The problem with the dollar is you must get two things correct to make money:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>First, you have to forecast where the dollar is going, which is as good as heads versus tails<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Then, you must accurately identify what will happen to small and large caps if you get the dollar right<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s easier said than done, as I think figure 4 makes clear. Even if you accurately predict the dollar, good luck making heads or tails out of large and small because of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Figure <\/strong><strong>4<\/strong><strong>: <\/strong><strong>Predicting <\/strong><strong>T<\/strong><strong>his <\/strong><strong>S<\/strong><strong>tuff <\/strong><strong>I<\/strong><strong>sn&#8217;t <\/strong><strong>E<\/strong><strong>asy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/-\/media\/us-media-files\/blog\/blog-images-2\/2025\/august\/what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps\/figure-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Source: Refinitiv, total return indexes, as of 7\/30\/25.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Past performance is not indicative of future results<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I have given the &#8220;dollar vs. cap size&#8221; concept a ton of thought over the years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The common refrain goes something like this: &#8220;If the dollar rises, that is going to be bad for big U.S. multinationals, because their costs will be in expensive dollars and their customers will pay them in weak euros and weak yen. Therefore, if I&#8217;m bullish the dollar, I should go for small caps.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If it were only that simple. Dollar up, give me small caps. Everyone knows that. But it isn&#8217;t necessarily true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How about if &#8220;dollar up&#8221; is happening because some hedge fund is blowing up or a banking institution is dying in real time? In those markets, people are doing wild things like getting diamonds into Swiss safe deposit boxes, emptying ATMs and so on. In that world, where the grab for dollars is on, you probably aren&#8217;t going to be happy with small caps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Moral of the story: like small caps because you like small caps, not because of any U.S. dollar forecast that is on your mind.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now\u2026that doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t engage in some old-fashioned Fed Kremlinology. That work could help small caps because of a narrative that figure 5 lays out. It shows a concept that is intuitive: as a collective, large caps tend to stand on sturdier balance sheet ground than small caps. Interest coverage (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/blog\/glossary#Earnings before interest and taxes (EBIT)\">earnings before interest and taxes<\/a>&nbsp;divided by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/blog\/glossary#interest-expense\">interest expense<\/a>) is a notably different scene as you move across the cap spectrum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Figure <\/strong><strong>5<\/strong><strong>: Interest Coverage Ratio<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/-\/media\/us-media-files\/blog\/blog-images-2\/2025\/august\/what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps\/figure-5-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Source: WisdomTree, as of July 2025.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Past performance is not indicative of future results<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the Fed starts cutting rates, that helps not only people and companies with large debt burdens, but also those who are more likely to have floating rate obligations. Both of those descriptors apply more to small caps than large caps. It&#8217;s something to consider if the Fed starts easing policy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you like the charts in this blog post, be sure to check out our new <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/tools#chartaday\" target=\"_blank\">Daily Charts<\/a>, which features timely charts from various WisdomTree thought leaders.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Figure 6 sorts our four U.S. small-cap Funds by quality (return on equity).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Figure 6: U<\/strong><strong>.<\/strong><strong>S<\/strong><strong>.<\/strong><strong> Small<\/strong><strong>&#8211;<\/strong><strong>Cap <\/strong><strong>F<\/strong><strong>undamentals<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/-\/media\/us-media-files\/blog\/blog-images-2\/2025\/august\/what-will-light-a-fire-under-small-caps\/figure-6-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Source: WisdomTree PATH software, as of 7\/31\/25.<strong> The performance data quoted represents past performance and is not indicative of future results. Investment return and principal value of an investment will fluctuate so that an investor&#8217;s shares, when redeemed, may be worth more or less than their original cost. Current performance may be lower or higher than the performance data quoted. For the most recent month-end and standardized performance, click the respective ticker: <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/etfs\/equity\/des\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">DES<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/etfs\/equity\/ees\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">EES<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/etfs\/equity\/dgre\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">DGRS<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/etfs\/equity\/qsml\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">QSML<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Funds mentioned in figure 6:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/etfs\/equity\/des\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">DES: WisdomTree U.S. SmallCap Dividend Fund<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/etfs\/equity\/ees\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">EES: WisdomTree U.S. SmallCap Fund<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/etfs\/equity\/dgrs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">DGRS: WisdomTree U.S. SmallCap Quality Dividend Growth Fund<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisdomtree.com\/investments\/etfs\/equity\/qsml\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">QSML: WisdomTree U.S. SmallCap Quality Growth Fund<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><sup>1 <\/sup>Performance figures from WisdomTree&#8217;s PATH software, as of 8\/27\/25.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Despite lagging the broader market, U.S. small caps now trade at a 21.8% valuation discount to large caps, levels last seen before major relative rallies in the 1970s and early 2000s.<\/p>\n<p>With rate cuts, Jay Powell could set up a reversal that swings fortunes in favor of small caps.<\/p>\n<p>Investors should consider focusing less on dollar predictions and more on small caps\u2019 sensitivity to falling rates.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":55,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":true,"footnotes":""},"categories":[335,146,153,148,7],"tags":[362,336,291,314,1046,383,316],"contributors-categories":[457],"class_list":{"0":"post-207621","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","6":"category-etfs","7":"category-macro","8":"category-stocks","9":"category-text-articles","10":"category-traders-insight","11":"tag-economic-outlook","12":"tag-etfs","13":"tag-macro","14":"tag-market-outlook","15":"tag-small-caps","16":"tag-stock-market","17":"tag-stocks","18":"contributors-categories-wisdomtree-u-s"},"pp_statuses_selecting_workflow":false,"pp_workflow_action":"current","pp_status_selection":"publish","acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.9 (Yoast SEO v27.3) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>What Will Light a Fire under Small Caps? | Traders&#039; Insight<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Despite lagging the broader market, U.S. small caps now trade at a 21.8% valuation discount to large caps, levels last seen before major relative...\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.eu\/campus\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/207621\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"What Will Light a Fire under Small Caps?\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Despite lagging the broader market, U.S. small caps now trade at a 21.8% valuation discount to large caps, levels last seen before major relative rallies in the 1970s and early 2000s. 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